We will never be forgiven if we are the 1st to leave the EU. Should we go anyway?

Question

We are told that it is a condition of our membership that we allow the EU Court of Human Rights to overrule our UK courts... If we say No we will decide who stays and who goes what wil the EU do about it? Fine us? we refuse to pay and every penny they knock off we knock off our payments to the EU? Wil they then chuck us out? That would be their decision not ours. W do not leave they leave us.

My own view is that the French wil leave first

Answer 1

I love Europe, but just don't want to be run / ruined by Europe. We should try to stay friends with them, but it should be a two way street, and they seem to take more than we benefit from them on a year to year basis.



I would prefer it if we could perhaps still trade as we used to, like in the good days of the Common Market. A free trade agreement could be a good way to still do business with Europe and be good for them and us alike, while still trading but not having the worry about further Euro zone bailouts. No one wants to see the EU collapse (as such) and it would be a disaster for Britain if it does, but it simply cannot carry on how it is going, with a bunker mentality and bailout after futile bailout. Britain poured in yet another £10bn last weekend, whilst our old people suffer, our public services get forever worse, and we are one of the highest taxed countries on the planet. I understand that the UK is the 3rd largest contributor at the moment, and we have been the 2nd largest at some points. The thanks we got for being such a large provider is clearly shown by the person that was 1st to answer your question. Says it all..... the arrogant pro Euro-trolls obviously feel they will be okay without our help. Bare in mind that we buy an awful lot of cars (amongst other crapp) made in France and Germany and their ilk, and if they start getting a bit more tired of us, then perhaps we could levy a 20% tax on all their cars that they sell here - no one wants to do that either. But we also make lots of cars, and are starting to sell (amongst other things) record amounts of Jags, Range Rovers and Rolls Royces and Bentlys to places like China. We still have good ties and relations with India, Canada, NZ and Oz as well as the USA which France and Germany seem to be very jealous about.



I would prefer it that we put a fair and right and just referendum to the British people. However, the referendum should have certain criteria that allows either a free trade clause, a fully paid in member (as now) clause, or a let's fet the Fleck out altogether clause.





EDIT @ Fear of the Dark, we have been patient with your EU for many years now, but our good will is fast running out. Your wet rag and other unelected cronies from Brussels has got our backs up and are proven to be in bed with Merkel and Sakozy. It's not a good idea to piss off the Brits as you found out twice before in the 20th century. But anyway, have patience my friend, we will leave when we are good and ready to using all 'democratic' processes that YOU can only dream of in socialist commie Brussels (that EUSSR). But thankyou for your encouragement. Keep it up you do us a great favour by showing your hate towards Britain.

Answer 2

The reasons why the EU is so unpopular is the lack of political astuteness on the part of the English voter.

Note I used the word English and not British because the Scots and the Welsh and the Northern Irish will remain in the EU.

The reasons I make this assertion is due to the inability for the English to see the advantages of being in the EU.

Why do you think the French and German people have a better standard of living and better conditions for their workers across the board?

Because they are more politically motivated and astute then the English.

As Napoleon said England is a nation of shopkeepers and whilst Europeans were revolutionising in England the people were fighting the progressiveness of Napoleonic Law and this is why the UK is trapped ina class system with a disparate voting population who have been hoodwinked to believe that the only thing that matters is owning your home and look at the mess this has made.

The EU has been good to British capitalists and farmers.

It's not a Poles fault if they can come here and make a decent wage at the expense of an Englander.

It's the bosses who supported the influx for them to exploit the Eastern Europeans and keep British people on the dole.

Tell me how much money do you think you'll save if the UK leaves the EU?

Nothing!

Who do you think picks your fruit and veg when you buy it at Tesco and Asda and why are these items priced as they are?

Because Europeans are breaking their backs in sodden fields to provide you with a salad.

Forget Al Qatada and the other triggers the Euro Sceptics use to arouse your anti European sentiment.This is what drives xenophobia and stupidity.

We need to re evaluate the political system in this country and be proud of what we can achieve by using Europe and the EU.

Some of your answerers are bordering on racist comments and naivety.

If any country leaves the EU it will be England and the English will rue the day because what working rights we have will be gone and it is the workers of a country who make that country great.

Do you wish to go back to Dickensian conditions?

I will go home to Scotland if England ever leaves Europe!

Answer 3

Because we built up New Zealand to feed our own country originally when we joined the EEC we let down New Zealand & that was not only wrong it was our 1st big mistake & the Japanese Government stepped in & now they benefited from our build up of that country. I have relatives their & they now use it for a lot of Golfing. We cannot just leave the EEC we are in to deep now & we are at present giving the EEC £147,000 every day we are a member that is right now but we have lost out big voice because we wanted to be a partner with the rest of Europe I do not know if your old enough to remember when we changed from our own currency & changed overnight from 244 pennies to the £1 & went to 100 pence to the £1-00p that was the biggest rip of & rape of the U/K ever yet we were told we had to do this to come into line with the rest of Europe. The Question should be why did we lose so much buying power overnight & if it truly was to come into line with Europe then why was it not named Euros which everyone else uses. Their is a shortage of food for the World now & if we dropped out of Europe where do you think we can get our food etc, from & especially at a reasonable price & unfortunately the answer is we have lost our choice it's much to late & we mist the boat so were stuck in EEC at any cost. Best Wishes.

Answer 4

The pathetic answer from 'Fear of the Dark', the self-proclaimed German is what really irritates. Just because he is part of the continental landmass of Eurasia, he feels that he has the right to launch the hackneyed claim that it is only 'little English people' who wish to abandon the EU with their xenophobia and bigotry.

Well, as an Italian working in London, I am also fully against this bloated, corrupt institution and I work in a highly politicized/economical environment. To look at the EU as it currently is and approve is simply ignorance; a blind trust in the mediocre politicians that rule our nations. We call a 'democratic process' one that we have no involvement in whatsoever; each time a Treaty is rejected by a nation (see the Irish), the EU says, 'Ok, now you will vote again, but this time you gonna say yes'.

Or Papandreou of Greece - he offered his people a choice of a referendum on the German backed austerity measure (and in the case of Spain, with low debt, the idiotic Merkel doesn't understand that cuts are entirely irrelevant) - and of course, the EU didn't like this, so Papandreou left government less than a month later...

Honestly, I grew up in Napoli, a city governed by powerful camorristi (mafia group) - and we pride ourselves to be able to smell corruption. I smell the EU very strongly now - I was pro before, but the current system is a joke.



Germans like this one will realize this in a few years. Oh, and for your question, I believe that it is very difficult to tell. In Western Europe, in each country at least 30% are actively anti-EU (or dislike it) so it is just future events that will dictate this.

Answer 5

We should get away from this Euro craphouse mess asap. Dont listen to posters like fear of the dark, he is probably an eastern European migrant benifitting from the E.U. If we left the European union we can still trade with it, and trade more with America , Japan.,China, Brazil, India , Australia etc. Did you realise our biggest trading partner in the Eurozone is tiny little Ireland. EDIT@Fear of the dark: Obviously some people do actually care what i think, and even more care less about what you think, just look at the thumbs down you have, and i never gave you a thumb down. The Germans were humiliated and soundly defeated in two major conflicts in the last 100 years by the UK, they got their economy built up courtesy of the marshall plan, whilst the biggestworld power (UK) lost its world standing, the E.U was formulised soon after WW2 to bring the coal and steel communities together of the continental Europeans. and to reduce the possibility of another conflict, obviously Germany and people like Konrad audeneur seen this as a way of conquering Europe economically in the future, because lets face it, you got all your guns taken fro you LOL. And a good thing too. Inthe past 40 years we have seen the demise of British industry, and the rise of German industry. British industry was in fact superior until communist unions encouraged strikes and walkouts in the mid 60s to early 80s, now we have no car industry and eveyone buys German. I say we leave the E.U and Nuke Berlin, as we have Nuclear weapons and you Germans dont. x Actually, we dont even need to, as your Turkish Islamic freinds in Germany will no doubt be eager to do this first. :)

Answer 6

WOW, another UKIP supporter who does not know that the European court of human rights has nothing to do with the EU, it is merely located on that continent. The UK signed up for it in the 1950s!!!!!



This is not a question but an uninformed rant.

Answer 7

You want a serious answer?

Please hold your god damn referendum and then leave!

(If feel sorry for all those uneducated brits but it looks like you have to learn it the hard way)

So please do it.

Sink your little island so the rest of europe can move on.

But please stop the whining.

Yu want out? Do it!

It will ruin whats left of britain but then again if this is what you (and the majority) wishes lets

give it a try.



Edit:

Wel @Sid.

Who cares what you think? (btw. i´m german)

As said do it.

Nobody is stopping you (beside your own politicians)

If you want it JUST DO IT but stop bitching around.

Britain is fucked without the EU but as said do it.

Not my problem (I´m just sick that we still have to deal with people like you).

Keep out and we both move on if you wish.

No harm taken.



Edit:

Serious you brits are funny!

You want a trade deal in times when everyone has moved on long ago :)

What you want has died 30 years ago!

The EU beeing only an economic bloc.

And the problem is it looks like you are the only one who wants this....

So what you gonna do about it?

Get out? (This is possible) but serious it´s time to give up this old kind of view that the 500 million

people who are in the EU would only spare a second to think like you.

LOL the EU only beeing a trade union.

Grow up! or get out ;)

Answer 8

We should abandon the ship known as the E.U before it takes us all down with it !